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Chris
 That's why we've got to know God's word. And my theology really, truly does matter.

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Chris
 Why I love to print you God's word, and why I try to do it so passionately, because it's not just facts or things that don't really matter to the day-to-day of our lives. They literally matter in everything we do, every environment we live, every relationship that we are in.

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Brenton
 Welcome back to Further. I am Brenton Grimm, Clay Baker. Welcome. How you doing?

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Clay
 Doing great. Happy to be here, as always.

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Brenton
 Yeah, thanks for coming.

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Brenton
 Yeah, I appreciated your sermon this week.

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Brenton
 Getting close to wrapping up John.

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Brenton
 Getting really close. So yeah, it was a good time trying to understand this kind of quirky passage here, right? There's just some weird details included that it just makes it unique. So what was that like going through this? How did you kind of land on where you did?

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Clay
 Well, to be honest, I didn't really want this passage. Now, there wasn't much of a conversation or anything, but I knew I was going to be-- or I thought I was going to be preaching all or part of John 21.

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Clay
 But then Chris needed to be out of town, and the preaching schedule changed. And he ended up dividing this chapter into three parts, which I fully am on board with. But honestly, I would have rather have taken the second or third parts, because I just-- on the face of it, I just find those very interesting and powerful.

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Clay
 Obviously, next week's sermon is going to be about Jesus restoring Peter, and that's really-- that's going to be moving, I just think. It's a great passage. And in the end, I've always loved the end of John. It's kind of one of those quietly--

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Clay
 or maybe lesser known, but awesome, and I kind of think funny passages, where Jesus, in kind of a very obviously serious way,

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Clay
 in the previous passage in verses 15 through 19, Jesus indicates to Peter that he's going to be martyred. And then in the last segment, verses 20 through 25, Peter turns and looks at John and basically says, well, what about him?

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Clay
 Jesus is basically like, what about him? You follow me. And I just love that. But anyway, so then I was like, oh, bummer. I didn't get either of those. And I got this one where they're kind of fishing again,

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Clay
 yeah, they're hauling in a big haul there. And like, man, that kind of sounds familiar. Oh, yeah, sure enough. There is a similar story in Luke. And then they have breakfast on the shore. And I was just kind of like, what am I going to do with this? But thankfully, it's not about what I or the preacher is going to do with the passage. It's about what does the Lord-- what does the Lord have in the passage, really, for all of time? What is the truth of it? What's he trying to get across? And then the preacher's job is to not only understand that, but then translate that into our time. And what does the Lord have for us at Harmony Bible Church in this particular time for this particular sermon? And as I dug into that, I had a lot of fun with it and found a lot more there than I realized was there. So it was really good.

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Brenton
 Yeah, absolutely.

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Brenton
 You kind of framed the whole passage around the idea that following Jesus means receiving a new life with a new purpose.

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Brenton
 And I don't know if you did any thinking about this as you were prepping or what, but what are some of the most common ways Christians today kind of drift back into just a busy or distracted life that is kind of off mission, but maybe without even realizing that they're doing it? Like, what are those kind of subtle ways that sneak into our lives?

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Clay
 Well, I mean, for me, this is immediately relevant, applicable because I just am way too prone to getting caught up in the day-to-day tasks of life or day-to-day challenges of life.

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Clay
 I think my life is very blessed in every way. And yet I am so quick to lose perspective and just minor irritations can become big deals to me.

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Clay
 And maybe not an irritation, maybe it's a task or a chore or something where it just kind of feels like,

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Clay
 you're just doing the same thing over and over again, or there isn't a lot exciting in the day-to-day or there's a lot frustrating in the day-to-day.

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Clay
 And that can just be a struggle for me to lose a sense of the big picture of like, what is the purpose of my life? Now, thankfully, I've got a really idealistic wife.

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Clay
 She's driven by ideals and passion and all these things. And that really balances me out well. And she helps me. I'm much more prone to be thinking about the present and the day-to-day. So that's kind of one example just that I struggle with and how this passage spoke to me. Another though, and this is where I thought of the parable of the sower and the specific example of the thorns. Now, the thorns are the cares of this world that applies to me and what I just said, but also the deceitfulness of riches.

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Clay
 And so I just think that's another example, I think, of where Christians can go astray in this or maybe take a step back in their walk with the Lord. And that's where they just are living for material things. They're living for their jobs or they're living for the things that their job can buy. And that might be stuff, might be experiences,

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Clay
 simple things like the clothes you wear to more expensive things like the car you drive to the vacations you take.

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Clay
 I don't know, they're just like an end. The world just has so much to offer in terms of entertainment and recreation and leisure. And we in this country are so, I mean, most of us, I mean, relative to the rest of the world, we're basically all rich.

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Clay
 And then even within that,

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Clay
 some of us relative to the rest of the world are super rich. And even those of us who, relative to other Americans, are not super rich or wealthy relative to Americans or Iowans, we still just have a lot. And there's a lot to distract us. There's a lot to pursue that isn't Christ.

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Clay
 And I just think all of those things are in play when it comes to following the Lord. And that's why multiple times in John chapter 21, Jesus says, "Follow me." And he said it before in the gospels. And I think he's setting that, he makes that statement, but I think he's setting that up or John setting that up with this story in the beginning of chapter 21.

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Brenton
 Yeah,

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Brenton
 I think it's interesting because a lot of times when we talk about idolatry, and I think that has been a topic on the show recently,

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Brenton
 but usually those, what we think of are sinful behaviors.

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Brenton
 And that's just not necessarily the case when we're talking about this stuff. It can be the best things that,

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Brenton
 some of the best things that will tear you away from the mission that you've been given.

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Clay
 Yeah, like even on Sunday morning, so those of you listening cannot see what I'm wearing right now. I'm wearing a t-shirt that is,

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Clay
 it's a Tottenham Hotspur t-shirt. So that's a soccer team.

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Clay
 So on Sunday morning, they were playing a very important game that I was gonna watch, had plans to watch Sunday afternoon.

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Clay
 Even the morning that I'm preaching, my mom had to like exercise some self-discipline and prayer and remind myself that the main event of my day, and really the main event of my week is gonna be, and is always Sunday morning. And it's not a soccer game.

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Clay
 Nathan Williams, Pastor Nathan, he's a big fan of this team and has been his pretty much his whole life. That's kinda how I got onto him. But I shared with him at church, they were both excited to watch this game. And I said, "You know what, Nathan though, it's like church, it was right before service started in Burlington. I said, "Nathan, this is like the climax right here and the Tottenham game, that's like the epilogue. It's still good, it's gonna be good, but it's not as good as the climax. This is it right here." And Nathan, he enjoyed that and he said, "Oh, you're gonna work that into your sermon?" And I said, "No." Then I thought, "Maybe I'll work it into the podcast and here we go."

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Brenton
 Yeah, that's good.

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Brenton
 You pointed out that Peter's instinct in his uncertainty in the situation was to go back to what was familiar, right? So Jesus is gone for a time and Peter says, "I gotta find something to do."

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Clay
 Yeah, and when we get into the psychology of these biblical characters, it's speculative. Like we don't, we often don't know exactly what was going on in their minds. So we take some liberties, but yeah, they were sitting and waiting for Jesus and then he wanted to get up and do something.

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Brenton
 Well, and your speculation, I guess, was during times of waiting or confusion or something, we often go back to our old patterns, right? The things that maybe we find comfort in.

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Brenton
 Why do you think, and this could be sinful behaviors, this could be habits that we've left behind, but why is it in times like that, that we're so quick to go back to the things that we've maybe left behind in the past?

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Clay
 That's a great question.

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Clay
 I think of Romans 12 that calls us to be transformed by the renewal of our minds. And I know that's only a work that the spirit can do. And that's a work that all Christians are called to do. And it's a continuous work, a continuous process of transformation, but it is a work and it is something we have to give ourselves to because how we are raised and the habits that we form are formative of us. And it almost acts like kind of like default code or something that we get into a certain situation or experience a certain set of stimuli. And we're conditioned to by these habits or by these formational events from our past to react in a certain way.

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Clay
 And that's not always a way that's gonna be honoring the Lord or making him a priority in our lives. You just have to, Christians are called to something different where to put off our old self and to put on Christ through the spirit and through the means of grace that he's given us to assist us in that. But that takes conscious effort. That's not something that happens passively. And so when we're being passive, that's when we're going with the flow, so to speak. And that's the flow of the world or the flow of our flesh, our sin nature.

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Clay
 We have to be actively availing ourselves of the spirit and the means of grace in order to be transformed and to walk with the Lord as he calls us to.

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Brenton
 Yeah, self-control is something that takes a lot of, obviously, as you said, like it is a gift of the spirit, but there is a lot of work involved in keeping that consistent in ourselves. And it's easy for that to fall at times. And yeah, we can end up back where we started pretty quickly.

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Clay
 Yeah, I mean, so I just think of time in the morning in the Word, it is more entertaining to spend that time on my phone,

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Clay
 looking at whatever.

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Brenton
 And comfortable, maybe. What's that? And comfortable.

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Clay
 And comfortable, yeah, not convicting. And doesn't require as much mental effort. It's harder and takes more intentionality and more effort to spend that time in the Word and try to understand it and try to apply it to myself and be prayerful about that.

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Clay
 That's just one example, but that is the Christian life. I mean, it's a walk and I'm thankful it's a walk and not a sprint,

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Clay
 but a walk requires a step, one step at a time. And the Lord works with us in that and His grace and His Spirit, His grace cooperates with us. His Spirit enables us and powers us to do things that are pleasing to Him, but we also have a responsibility to take those steps.

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Brenton
 Yeah, yeah. This is one area where it's really easy for sanctification, for you to feel that kind of two steps forward and three steps backward, right? This is where it can become real when we start falling back into older.

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Clay
 And I don't know that Peter and the disciples were doing, I don't think they were sinning here or I don't think they had any ill intent.

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Clay
 I just think Jesus needed to remind him. Yeah, absolutely. This life you are about to embark on and they didn't have the Spirit yet, so we gotta go easy on them. The Spirit's coming, it's coming soon.

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Clay
 We have the Spirit, so we should be hard on ourselves.

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Clay
 But Jesus, this is His reminder that like, "Hey, this life that I've commissioned you to and that very soon I'm gonna leave you to," although He never of course leaves us, but physically He's leaving them. It's a whole new deal.

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Clay
 It's a whole new way of life and way to be spending their time and a new set of challenges and a new set of joys and opportunities, but it is not just getting back out on the boat and going out fishing down the Sea of Galilee again. It's just not gonna be that.

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Brenton
 Right, yeah.

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Brenton
 You did spend some time talking about how vocation fits into the Christian life, that following Jesus doesn't mean everyone becomes a pastor or a missionary.

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Brenton
 Because like you said, nothing else would get done then, right?

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Brenton
 We need electricity. So like, yeah. How should Christians think differently about their careers, about success, about ambition in light of the Great Commission? And I'm especially thinking maybe like younger listeners here as they enter that time, but this could be relevant for anyone. Just, I'm just curious if you can give some wisdom on how to think about that while not ignoring the main vocation we've been given.

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Clay
 Yeah, no, I could share a lot on this, so bear with me. But part of this just comes from the interpretive process when trying to interpret scripture. You don't wanna jump straight from the context or what you're reading in the original setting straight to today. For sure, yeah.

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Clay
 If we were to do that, and it's easy to do that, we could walk away from a passage like this thinking that we're all called to make disciples and that's gonna look exactly the same for all of us. And like I said in my sermon, there's some truth to that, but there's some, maybe some, that's not a complete understanding of it either. There's more diversity in the church than that. So we have to remember who these people were, the disciples, the apostles, and what this time and setting was and what Jesus is trying to do here. And then in light of that, how does that apply to us? And so that's where I kind of went down this road of like, hey, we're not all apostles. In fact, none of us are apostles. So we've gotta remember that. And then they're in this unique period, this unique 40 day period in between Jesus' resurrection and ascension. And they didn't even have the Holy Spirit yet, as I just mentioned. So we are in an entirely different kind of period of salvation history where the Spirit has come and He indwells us, but there are no more apostles. We follow their teachings based on what they wrote in the Word and not their physical presence and leadership.

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Clay
 But we do know that God has something for all of us. We do know that every believer is the church and we do know that the Great Commission is for the church. And we do know that God gave to the church people with various giftings and various roles, including pastors and evangelists and teachers and others. And in Ephesians it says the pastors are given to the church to equip the saints for the work of ministry. The saints is every believer. So the pastors play a special role in leading and teaching and equipping, but it's really the work of ministry is for the whole church. So then that just leads you to further thoughts of what does that look like and other places in scripture. And I brought up 1 Corinthians 12, that analogy of the church as a body with many parts and each part serves its own function and purpose and needs to be healthy in order for the body to be healthy. All of this though has a personal appeal to me or importance to me because when I was younger

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Clay
 and I grew up in the church and grew up around some good biblical teaching and was involved in college ministry and that was really helpful. But I still through all of that had the notion and I don't know if it was conscious or subconscious, but I had this notion that if I was really gonna be on mission for Jesus, that was gonna mean or look like I was gonna be a pastor or a missionary or something adjacent or similar to those roles. It was gonna look like that. And that's what being on mission for God looked like or being totally, I think about the language of the time sold out for him or radically following him or et cetera.

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Clay
 And I just don't think that's the biblical picture. The biblical picture of the church is people living what we would call ordinary lives, but they do it in an extraordinary spirit filled way. So the church does not look like the world because the world serves itself. It has no other way, no other power or understanding, but to serve the sinful flesh. And that was all of our situation before Christ entered our lives.

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Clay
 But otherwise, people in the church for all of church history have had jobs and just kind of like regular jobs like we have. And we know from scripture that God loves and values all those people equally, and he works through them. And they're all necessary for the body, the church to function properly. And so this is what I was trying to get across, especially now that it's graduation season, and I was kind of thinking like, I wanna speak to kind of graduates here without turning this entirely into a commencement address.

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Clay
 But I was hopeful there were some young people, teens and 20-somethings, whatever, that still have their careers ahead of them,

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Clay
 there to hear this and think about this. But like your life as a working person, even if it's not like what we would call full-time ministry, is still in a sense full-time ministry. It's full-time like on mission living.

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Clay
 And your job is part of that because that is where you can have an influence. That is where you can be a blessing. And that, oh man, talk about the things that so often get overlooked, just being good at what you do is a blessing. It's a grace for us, for others to experience that.

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Clay
 But yeah, you're a blessing, you are an influence, and very practically you make money. And the church, I mean, I know some people don't like to talk about this or think about this,

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Clay
 or whatever, but for the church as an organization to function requires money, requires resources, and that comes from people that work.

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Clay
 So it's just in a very practical way, they're part of the mission in that way. Everyone's part of the mission in that way, that's earning and giving. And then, yeah, and then you can work in just other benefits of being generous, and it's like an antidote to worldliness, et cetera. So I know that was a lot there, sorry to regurgitate all that, but that was a little peek behind the scenes of what was going through my mind and heart and why I wanted to share that.

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Brenton
 No, I think that's really good. And just, I guess I comment on that last thing about money, like, you know,

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Brenton
 as a parent, right? Like your first mission is your family, right? And so, like, I think it's really easy for us to skip past that and feel like we're not as, you know,

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Brenton
 useful or important in the kingdom if we're not out,

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Brenton
 you know, doing what a missionary does or doing what a pastor does.

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Brenton
 And so just an encouragement there that like, like your job first and foremost is your family, right? So be faithful in that.

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Clay
 Well, and think about, you know, yeah, we're all called to be part of making disciples, and if you are blessed with children, who do you have more influence over than your children? Absolutely. That's your first and foremost little discipleship group right there.

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Brenton
 Absolutely, yeah, no, that's good. The other thing is I just, I appreciate what you said, because I think that it's so common, and maybe it's not verbalized as much, but I do hear it that like this kind of being down on yourself because you aren't as qualified as a pastor, or, you know, don't feel like you have the ability to do ministry, whatever that means.

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Brenton
 But I think, you know, the way you're talking about this is like you need to be faithful in what God has called you to. Yes. And not try to live outside of that and live up to some other expectation that you feel like is on you.

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Brenton
 So no, yeah, I just, I think that's helpful. I think that that can be hard for, you know,

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Brenton
 many people that just feel not as useful as maybe they actually are. Yeah, absolutely.

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Brenton
 You suggested that the unbroken net in John 21 points to the enduring success of the gospel mission,

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Brenton
 that Christ himself is responsible for bringing people into his kingdom. And I think we all affirm, right? And I think maybe nobody affirms more in the Bible than John of this truth, that Christ is building his church. And how should that shape the way we handle, you know, both the discouragement of ministry,

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Brenton
 but also the pride that comes along with it, right? So on one side, like we have the times where it feels fruitless and that can lead to discouragement. On the other hand, you have success and that can lead to pride, right? How can this truth that God is forming his church, that Christ is building his church, how can that speak to like both of those ditches?

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Clay
 Yeah, well, it's the examples you cite. I mean, we have to remind ourselves of this, but it's God that's working.

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Clay
 Paul said, "I plant, Apollos watered, but God gives the growth." And it's not the one who plants or the one who waters that matters, but only God who gives the growth.

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Clay
 He loves us and he's got good things for us. And it is a blessing to serve him and be used by him. And we enjoy that and delight in that. But it ultimately is by him and for him. So Jesus famously said, "Apart from me, you can do nothing."

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Clay
 If God was outside of this equation here, we wouldn't be making disciples of him. We might be,

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Clay
 even if we think we are, we're not.

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Clay
 God's gotta be part of that. And he's gotta be the one to change hearts. And then he gets all the glory.

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Clay
 So yeah, I don't know exactly, I guess, maybe how we keep that in front of us, but that's gotta be kept in front of us, where he's the one doing all the work. That's both at the same time, a very humbling thing, but also a very reassuring thing.

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Clay
 I mean, it's a great protection against discouragement, because it's easy to get discouraged from failures, or you look around and you think the community or the society or even the church is heading in the wrong direction, but just remembering that it's the Lord's and he's behind it and he's building it. I mean, that's a great source of comfort to me.

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Clay
 Yeah, he's doing it. So, and he's gonna do it. And he's got the number of his chosen ones

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Clay
 already nailed down and he knows them all. And he knows exactly when he's coming back.

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Clay
 So, we don't, we don't know any of those things, but we get the joy and the blessing of being a part of that and part of building that church, part of building his kingdom because he allows us to and he wants to work through us.

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Speaker 5
 Yeah, yeah.

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Brenton
 Yeah, I guess, like I said, John, the book of John is an amazing reminder of that. Think of John six and the way he talks about his,

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Brenton
 you know, the father's will in all of this,

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Brenton
 I think is a, it's probably something we should be in often.

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Brenton
 Let's wrap up on this one. Toward the end of your sermon, you talked about the joy of just simply being with Jesus. Breakfast with Jesus. And even in suffering, right?

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Brenton
 And connected to the breakfast on the shore to the future supper of the Lamb and revelation. Why is it so important for us to accept that Christianity is not just about like being forgiven or going to heaven or just like accomplishing a mission, right? But ultimately it's about like enjoying Christ himself.

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Brenton
 Like why is that so important to keep in front of us when we have so many other like to do things, there's so many to do lists in front of us in the Christian life. How do we keep that in front of us and why is that important to recognize?

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Clay
 Yeah, well, in one sense, it's what he wants from us and for us.

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Clay
 You know, joy is an aspect of the fruit of the spirit. So it's something he's gonna be working in us.

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Clay
 We know from Philippians were to rejoice in the Lord always. You know, again, I will say rejoice.

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Clay
 And then there's a lot to, those scriptures have a lot to say about suffering too. I really wanted to make mention of suffering because this is John 21 and I believe our story sets up the rest of John 21.

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Clay
 Well, the very next scene involves, or it's really the same scene, just the next sermon will involve Jesus telling Peter that he's going to be martyred.

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Clay
 And so knowing that that is coming and that's part of what's going on here

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Clay
 and knowing just people in our body are suffering. Like you just spend any time with the folks that come to church here. And you know that there's a lot of people going through some really hard things.

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Clay
 And we know just from our own experience that we all go through hard things at varying degrees. So I wanted to touch on that and not give someone the false impression that I was naive about that or that the Christian life is just kind of this happy, feel good, always feel good all the time kind of thing.

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Clay
 But I think it's really important that we keep the future joy in front of us

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Clay
 because I think that helps us experience the present that are joy in the present.

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Clay
 It's in God's presence and at his right hand, our pleasures forevermore.

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Clay
 Well, we have his presence now, he's with us now, that's a real thing. And like I said, he's working through the spirit, that joy in us and his peace in us. We need to keep our eyes fixed on the Lord, including like what awaits us in the Lord in order to help us persevere what's going on in the present. And I just think of how interesting it is that Peter at this time was told that he was going to be martyred and yet he wasn't actually martyred for many years later. So you read all, his martyrdom is not recorded in Acts, it would have happened after that.

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Clay
 But he's in a good chunk of Acts, most of the first half there, he's a main character.

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Clay
 And then he wrote a couple letters

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Clay
 that we have in our New Testament. So we've got quite a bit on Peter and then we know a little bit from church history too, but he did a lot of ministry. He lived a lot of life knowing that he was going to be martyred. And then we know from church history that he was martyred and some even believe he was crucified upside down. Now that might be kind of more of a legend, I don't know. But that story's out there. And I just have to believe, I do believe, and you read some of the things that happened to Peter, he experienced a lot of joy.

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Clay
 He experienced a lot of joy in his life and ministry,

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Clay
 even knowing that he was gonna come to a pretty bitter end. But I think how he was able to persevere through that had to involve a rock solid firm belief that it wasn't ultimately going to be a bitter end.

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Clay
 And I just think that's a good word for us today.

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Clay
 We don't know when the Lord's gonna come back, but we know that we've got troubles now. And I believe at least in many others that

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Clay
 approaching the Lord's return, there will be even more troubles.

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Clay
 And we as American Christians, relatively speaking, relative to church history and relative to even today in other places in the world, we live a pretty comfortable life when it comes to our faith and the ability to practice it freely.

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Clay
 And we just need to be ready because we're not guaranteed that it might change, it could change quickly.

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Clay
 We saw during COVID how quickly our world, our lives changed.

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Clay
 So we, yeah, what was told to Peter

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Clay
 is also very much vividly pictured in Revelation how the saints, believers,

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Clay
 are gonna experience persecution and many will be martyred. And we just need to be ready for that. And Jesus talked about that and the cost of following Him, we'll talk about that next week.

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Clay
 But in all of that, in all of that, God wants us to have joy.

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Clay
 And He has joy for us, for forever.

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Clay
 So tapping into that, reminding ourselves what He's done for us, reminding ourselves of what awaits us in eternity

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Clay
 makes it all worth it. Yes, there's a great cost and it might even, following Jesus, it might even be the ultimate cost, but it is worth it, He is worth it, at His right hand, our pleasure is forevermore. Yeah, that's good.

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Clay
 All right, thanks, Clay. Yeah, thanks for putting up with my ramblings.

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Brenton
 Oh, that's good.

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Brenton
 There's a lot of good stuff in this one, so I appreciate your work.

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Brenton
 And yeah, if you guys have any questions, ask at furtherpodcast.com. We'll talk to you next week.

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